More men becoming stay at home dads is a non-starter culturally. Women will (quietly) lose respect for them for the most part, it runs too counter to our evolutional programming that the man should be the provider.
this can only be written by a woman. Good luck with your future. Economic standing to pressure women sounds like women are gold diggers. Since women are better off according to you, let them enjoy it on their own, leave men out of it.
This is the same old story I’ve been reading for the last 15 years, starting with Hanna Rosin’s “The End of Men” 2010 Atlantic cover story and later book, backed by “research”. (In 2021 she took it all back and wrote about her “tragic naïveté” in believing her hypothesis. Incidentally, she came out as a lesbian in 2020 and blew up her seemingly happy twenty-plus year marriage.) Kate Bolick followed up with her 2011 Atlantic cover story, “All the Single Ladies”, turned it into a book, “Spinster”, and you’re just rehashing all the same points.
How did you manage to write this overlong article—chunks of which I skipped because it was so repetitive—without mentioning the the internet, phones, social media, video games, Netflix, delivery apps, and online porn? Maybe a simpler hypothesis is that marriage is just tedious and boring compared to the endless variety, fantasy, and stimulation available 24/7 sitting at home, that people love WFH (wank from home) and don’t want to RTM (return to marriage)?
By the way, there’s plenty of housing in the United States and Europe (like the €1 houses in Sicily), just not where the jobs everyone wants are.
Also, as for the children of lesbians “doing better”, the study you cited says nothing of the sort. It’s also a bullshit study, based on only 84 kids and (highly unreliable) self-reported data at age 10 and 17. I wonder how they turned out as adults. Anecdotally, I personally know two lesbian couples with completely fucked up kids.
“The dudes are just bad” in the same article talking about how fertility rates in South Korea plummet as families feel pressure to have “the best” children - for fear they will be the losers of society - is a wild combination of things. These men are the very example for which the fertility rate drops. If you can’t birth the valedictorian with the perfect man, then your endeavors as a parent have failed. Perhaps they are “bad” because we live in a society that does not track every class for stability and home ownership, which you and others point out is a major determinant to fertility. These people (men) deal with the reality that they are in. If they can’t live up to the non-universally attainable standards of material security and social status, which culture foists upon them, then why bother trying? Yes, the men need therapy. No they do not need to be told they are bad.
- signed, a son of a single mother & deadbeat dad, and a husband to a loving wife, and member of a DINK that can’t afford a bloody house in CA
Wow that’s not even the wildest thing you said. Having the government pressuring bisexuals to form same sex families for the sake of some type of social engineering. I’m sorry what? You think that’s a good idea?
I liked the article but there is one cavear between sexism and economic instability, my theory why there is a link is that those same societies have policies that advantage women while not caring about men.
Talking about Europe, if you as a man see economic instability and the reigning zeitgeist is that women are still oppressed thus feminism is needed and there are DEI tier policies in place for them while you see around you that they are getting advantaged, would lead to an understandable radicalization.
An example of this is my homeland of Spain where the reigning discourse is how sexist Spain is while providing affirmative action to women in an economic context where the male youth gets doubly fucked by the economic policy of a leftist elite allied to feminism.
Interesting article (which was not overlong, and I admire the depth of citations), but one thing I think you might dig into a little more just because it’s really changed my thinking on these issues is the question of status, both for men and for women, and how changes economic conditions for each gender have affected their ability to get it and what that means for dating. For example, your ideas about men taking more pink collar jobs or becoming stay at home dads are, I think, doomed to fail unless we can somehow drastically raise the status of those occupations (which strikes me as unlikely).
Dating sucks because Men don't know how to be attractive. In previous years Men relied on being Good Providers, however now that women can provide for themselves most men don't know how to navigate the dating scene.
I have found that today Good Social Skills, a Great Personality and Decent looks will get you more women than any material things can. Furthermore many of these women are more than willing to look after you. If you are a Confident & Charming man, dating is really good right now. Unlike in previous years today you can be broke and still get a beautiful successful woman.
Women just don't know what they _actually_ want and are really terrible at strategizing towards it, in general. I think in general they just want to nurture and nest, and the current societal structure is pretty much the stark opposite of this. So they look for someone that makes them feel 'comfortable' as a best compromise. Which...whatever. You get laid a lot by being that person. But it's essentially meaningless. The inculcated attitudes invalidate most women as long term partners until they are worldly and thoughtful enough to be beyond breeding age. So there's your explanation of why the birth rate sucks and why so many women are disappointed.
It's not just the guys who need an attitude adjustment. Women need to stop with the social engineering if they want trad families. Otherwise, get used to the idea of our breeding overlords taking over in the not that distant future - but after my checkout date.
This is so unnecessarily long
More men becoming stay at home dads is a non-starter culturally. Women will (quietly) lose respect for them for the most part, it runs too counter to our evolutional programming that the man should be the provider.
this can only be written by a woman. Good luck with your future. Economic standing to pressure women sounds like women are gold diggers. Since women are better off according to you, let them enjoy it on their own, leave men out of it.
This is the same old story I’ve been reading for the last 15 years, starting with Hanna Rosin’s “The End of Men” 2010 Atlantic cover story and later book, backed by “research”. (In 2021 she took it all back and wrote about her “tragic naïveté” in believing her hypothesis. Incidentally, she came out as a lesbian in 2020 and blew up her seemingly happy twenty-plus year marriage.) Kate Bolick followed up with her 2011 Atlantic cover story, “All the Single Ladies”, turned it into a book, “Spinster”, and you’re just rehashing all the same points.
How did you manage to write this overlong article—chunks of which I skipped because it was so repetitive—without mentioning the the internet, phones, social media, video games, Netflix, delivery apps, and online porn? Maybe a simpler hypothesis is that marriage is just tedious and boring compared to the endless variety, fantasy, and stimulation available 24/7 sitting at home, that people love WFH (wank from home) and don’t want to RTM (return to marriage)?
By the way, there’s plenty of housing in the United States and Europe (like the €1 houses in Sicily), just not where the jobs everyone wants are.
Also, as for the children of lesbians “doing better”, the study you cited says nothing of the sort. It’s also a bullshit study, based on only 84 kids and (highly unreliable) self-reported data at age 10 and 17. I wonder how they turned out as adults. Anecdotally, I personally know two lesbian couples with completely fucked up kids.
“The dudes are just bad” in the same article talking about how fertility rates in South Korea plummet as families feel pressure to have “the best” children - for fear they will be the losers of society - is a wild combination of things. These men are the very example for which the fertility rate drops. If you can’t birth the valedictorian with the perfect man, then your endeavors as a parent have failed. Perhaps they are “bad” because we live in a society that does not track every class for stability and home ownership, which you and others point out is a major determinant to fertility. These people (men) deal with the reality that they are in. If they can’t live up to the non-universally attainable standards of material security and social status, which culture foists upon them, then why bother trying? Yes, the men need therapy. No they do not need to be told they are bad.
- signed, a son of a single mother & deadbeat dad, and a husband to a loving wife, and member of a DINK that can’t afford a bloody house in CA
Wow that’s not even the wildest thing you said. Having the government pressuring bisexuals to form same sex families for the sake of some type of social engineering. I’m sorry what? You think that’s a good idea?
I liked the article but there is one cavear between sexism and economic instability, my theory why there is a link is that those same societies have policies that advantage women while not caring about men.
Talking about Europe, if you as a man see economic instability and the reigning zeitgeist is that women are still oppressed thus feminism is needed and there are DEI tier policies in place for them while you see around you that they are getting advantaged, would lead to an understandable radicalization.
An example of this is my homeland of Spain where the reigning discourse is how sexist Spain is while providing affirmative action to women in an economic context where the male youth gets doubly fucked by the economic policy of a leftist elite allied to feminism.
Can you plz explain a bit , being poor at english it was hard for me to understand what are you trying to convey
Interesting article (which was not overlong, and I admire the depth of citations), but one thing I think you might dig into a little more just because it’s really changed my thinking on these issues is the question of status, both for men and for women, and how changes economic conditions for each gender have affected their ability to get it and what that means for dating. For example, your ideas about men taking more pink collar jobs or becoming stay at home dads are, I think, doomed to fail unless we can somehow drastically raise the status of those occupations (which strikes me as unlikely).
Dating sucks because Men don't know how to be attractive. In previous years Men relied on being Good Providers, however now that women can provide for themselves most men don't know how to navigate the dating scene.
I have found that today Good Social Skills, a Great Personality and Decent looks will get you more women than any material things can. Furthermore many of these women are more than willing to look after you. If you are a Confident & Charming man, dating is really good right now. Unlike in previous years today you can be broke and still get a beautiful successful woman.
Women just don't know what they _actually_ want and are really terrible at strategizing towards it, in general. I think in general they just want to nurture and nest, and the current societal structure is pretty much the stark opposite of this. So they look for someone that makes them feel 'comfortable' as a best compromise. Which...whatever. You get laid a lot by being that person. But it's essentially meaningless. The inculcated attitudes invalidate most women as long term partners until they are worldly and thoughtful enough to be beyond breeding age. So there's your explanation of why the birth rate sucks and why so many women are disappointed.
It's not just the guys who need an attitude adjustment. Women need to stop with the social engineering if they want trad families. Otherwise, get used to the idea of our breeding overlords taking over in the not that distant future - but after my checkout date.
Unfortunately you are absolutely right. By the time most women learn they past their prime.